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WHETHER SECESSION OR NULLIFICATION, WE ALL WANT FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE

 We Want The Same Thing

By Darrel Mulloy

There’s a controversy brewing in Texas. It is a controversy over secession or what some are calling nullification. Some see only secession as the end to government intrusion in our lives while others more hopefully believe that the union should remain intact and that the tenth amendment can be used to force the federal government to revert back to its rightful role. Both are probably right, but for different reasons.

If one were to read the Constitution for the first time; coming here from another planet; he would probably ask why we stopped using that document. Those of us who have lived on this planet and in this nation for all or most of our lives have not seen the gradual erosion of the Constitution. In my seventy plus years on this earth, I have watched as individual freedom was chipped away little by little, and it started before I was born. There is no one alive today who can say they have lived under a truly constitutional government, even though we have not noticed how it was being changed.

Today we are witness to the fastest torturing of our Constitution that has ever taken place. While some of the previous changes have been gradual, what we are witnessing now is anything but subtle.

Glenn Beck expressed his concern in a conversation on air with Rush Limbaugh, and here is a quote from that conversation:

"I fear this government, this administration has so much framework already prepared, that they will seize power overnight before anybody even gives it a second thought,"

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=108088

I mentioned above that I thought both those wanting secession and those only wanting nullification were right. How can they both be right? Those seeking to enforce the tenth amendment are right in believing that if they had the right to tell Washington to stop all legislation that is unconstitutional, or to not recognize such legislation within the state, that all would be good. But would it? If Washington is not recognizing the rest of the Constitution, why are we to believe that they would recognize the tenth amendment and not find some way to circumvent it? Nullification, or invoking the tenth amendment is a commendable goal, but not a very realistic one.

While the nullification path might work for a limited time, until Washington DC finds a way around it, secession is a permanent solution to the problems faced by all of the states. Nullification would not end the power problem that we now have with the centralized government. Secession would. If each individual state recognized that they have an unwritten right in the Constitution to declare independence, the powers in Washington DC would stop and each state would once again be the decider of its own destiny. Existing trade between individual states would not change, and neither would or should the freedom to travel from one state to another. The only thing that would change is that the power would now be back in the hands of the individual states and the people of those states.

It is going to take the total destruction of the government now in Washington DC before America can form once again. We used to be the most creative, most productive people in the world, and we can be once again, without government intrusion. Nullification might allow that to happen; secession certainly would.

I’ve said it before and I say it once again. I don’t believe Time is on our side. Each day it becomes more apparent that what we are doing here in Texas needs to be accelerated before it is halted by a totalitarian administration that is bent on total and absolute power. What happens in Austin this weekend is of utmost importance, and it cannot be stressed enough how important it is.

Anyone who can be there should be there to give support to freedom and independence. A strong show of support for our movement will go a long way with the politicians who will be making the decision as to whether we will be allowed the right to vote for secession and to whether there is a measure passed forcing the state to adhere to the tenth amendment and tell Washington that we will no longer tolerate their unconstitutional intrusions in our lives.

While secession is the ultimate goal, we must first back the move to get a measure such as HCR50 passed to allow the state to tell Washington to stop. If that fails, I think most of Texas will agree that seeking our own independence is the only alternative.

I wish I could be with you this Saturday, and I hope there are at least 100,000 or more of you there to voice my concerns to those who will be there and plan to run to represent us next year.

God bless Texas, and may He be there with you in Austin.

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Added: September 11, 2009. 11:08 PM CST
Texas independance
Is there an organized organization trying to secede and how can I assist?
Anonymous
Added: September 01, 2009. 02:29 PM CST
Sovereignty First
Nullification and Secession are not valid options, for the simple reason that we live under dictatorship, whereby the federal government (which calls it self the NATIONAL government), is the judge of its own powers. Sure, "the people" can technically elect government officials, but only for their respective state senator or congressional district-- likewise campaigns are bought and sold by lobbyists.
By law every state is POPULARLY sovereign- i.e. it is owned and ruled by its people, while state and federal governments are simply ASSIGNED power BY the people of the state.
However that's been suppressed by the lies of the regime, to claim that somehow "the people" of the entire "nation" are its owners, but still that the government makes all the rules-- other than who "the people" can vote for.
This simply leads to powerful lobbyists electing all the government officials, who in turn give the people's tax-money back to the lobbyists-- it's a vicious circle which can only end, when the people of the individual STATES take back their sovereignty by standing on the law-- not only before the state and federal government, but also before the international community, to assert their sovereign independence as it exists BY LAW.
Until then, there cannot BE any nullification OR secession.
Anonymous
Added: September 01, 2009. 02:26 PM CST
A third option
From what I have read, two more states have to sign on to a Constitutional Convention. The result of such a gathering is then pass on to the state governments for ratification. A CC can propose amendments to the Constitution that can return power to the state. While I am all for a dissolution of the current federal system, I am afraid it will use force like it did last time to preserve and extend its power. A Con-Con may be a peaceful way to take that power away.
Anonymous
Added: September 01, 2009. 12:53 PM CST
Legislative Secession
Each member State of the Union became so by ratifying the Constitution in its legislative procedures. Just as a State legislature can revoke, rescind, or countermand any other of its acts, there is no reason why a State can't rescind its ratification of the Constitution. Then, the legislature should cancel elections in its State for federal offices. Most States grant special exemptions from many of its statutes for federal offices; these too, should be revoked.
Anonymous
Added: September 01, 2009. 07:42 AM CST
Secession
I believe secession is the best check on centralized power. The States should pass a federal law that all federal property within a state's border will transfer to that state in case of secession.

What if all 50 states secede? Who will own all those nuclear weapons?
Bilbo Baggins
Added: September 01, 2009. 07:31 AM CST
New Ideas of Liberty

I would like to propose what we shall call, The Doctrine of the Perpetual Negative. When the Constitution says that no power shall be exercised by the general government , that negative cannot be repealed or overridden in any way Legislative, Executive or Judicial under this Constitution except through the next Constitutional Convention.The reason is that when the Constitution says, for example, that there may be NO direct taxes, the the proposal to override it, to repeal it, violates the prohibition. The proposal, though it later be an Amendment, is itself at all times Unconstitutional, thus illegal, and null and void! Negatives may not be repealed. I submit that the 10th Amendment supports this view as well and would love to see it debated.



Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall
propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures
of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments,
which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this
Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several
States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode
of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which
may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any
Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article;

AND that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage
in the Senate.

The 17th Amendment certainly deprived some States of their sufferage in the Senate.
Perhaps we would be wise to repeal the 17th Amendment! According to the 10th Amendment , the States are distinct from the People. This is talking about the State Governments.

Florida, Georgia, Alabama, South Carolina and Virginia did not ratify that amendment and were deprived of their equal suffrage in the Senate, thereby profoundly effecting the integrity of every Amendment to the Constitution!

Also, the unseating of the Senators of these states for their refusal to ratify Amendment 14 constituted "exactly" that prohibition," AND that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage
in the Senate."
The old idea that the Senate shall be the sole judge of the qualifications of its members, used to justify their expulsion, flies directly in the face of Article V. Likewise when attempting to balance the assertion that attainders of treason are legal with other lines that declare that no attainders of any sort are legal. Likewise whan the Constitution proclaims with great bombast that it is Supreme over State Laws and Constitutions, when it has absolutely no jurisdiction over said laws and Constitutions. Nonetheless, it is already done. The 17th Amendment is garbage.

I also would like to show you a few other things in the Constitution that I am sure
you will find to be very interesting.

Article 1. Section 9.3} No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall
be passed.

I hate to have to break this to you, but the 14th Amendment fails these
basic tests of Constitutionality. That amendment is a bill of attainder
and it was passed ex post facto. I will not even mention the coercion
and illegal expulsion from Congress of our Representatives and Senators
for our failure to ratify this Amendment. The history of this amendment
is a three ring circus of lies and murder.

Article 3. Section 3.2}
The Congress shall have power to declare the
punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work
corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attained.

Read this again. Now, read it again.

This is really great. Remember that Article 1.Section 9.3} declared
that Congress may not pass Bills of Attainder or ex post facto laws. Now
we see an exception or a mistake. Both are probably grounds for a series of very serious lawsuits!
Attainders of treason are permitted with some very serious restrictions
on them , to protect the descendants of the traitors. That is us, by the
way. The entire problem is the 14th Amendment.


The value of the slaves and war bonds concern us here. That value is the forfeiture
that is Constitutionally bound to be returned to the Southern people as we shall not suffer Corruption of Blood or lose our property except
during the lifetimes of the Confederate Politicians and Soldiers. They are now all dead.
Also, the theory known as the Incorporation Doctrine
is defunct. The application of the Incorporation Doctrine is Corruption
of Blood and is Unconstitutional. We, the Southerners living now, are
not and have never been Traitors to the United States. We are thereby
under the jurisdiction of the original Constitution or else Corruption of Blood is being allowed to function as the Supreme Law of the Land
rather than the Constitution of the United States. This cannot continue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bills_of_attainder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_of_blood#Corruption_of_Blood

http://www.pacinlaw.org/pdf/14th_R2.pdf

I propose that any one or all of the Southern States expelled from Congress to force their ratification of the 14th Amendment, simply repeal their states ratification of the 14th Amendment. That alone would tie EVERYTHING up in the Federal courts for the next 20 years. Liberty would blossom again.

Several years ago, I proposed an idea that went nowhere. It was a proposed Amendment that would empower the two Senators from any three states to remove by application , to the President , any Federal official or Judge, Supreme or otherwise, who violated, in their view, the application of the Constitution to their or any other State or States. The only officials Executive or Judicial exempt from this power would be the President and the Vice-President. It would declare the Incorporation Doctrine null and void, and end lifetime judicial appointments.
Anonymous
Added: September 01, 2009. 01:02 AM CST
Secede for a Day
Texas has long treasured its right to secede but today there are those who question this right.
When I lived in Los A"ngeles, occasionally I would pass a closed sidewalk. signs said the walk was closed for one day to assert the owners' right to their property.
Texas MUST secede soon or lose its right. It needs to pick a time when congress is out of session, so its reps just go back to work same committees. It needs to declare a military alliance with the USA so its troops stay where they are and nothing disrupted.
Other Fed Services can be done by the State and one day's income taxes should go to Texas rather than Uncle Sam.
Photinacook
Added: August 29, 2009. 07:39 AM CST
It's not the money stupid!
Anytime secession is mentioned, a frequent argument made by those not understanding the cause is money - how much we get back in terms of bribes from our federal masters.

It's about our liberty my friend - it has never been about money.

They have been slowly cooking our liberty frog for too long now -- the frog may not have the strength to jump out of the boiling water of our oppressive federal government.
Liberty Frog
Added: August 28, 2009. 05:13 PM CST
One of the five?
Mommom, did yu know that Texas sent 377 billion dollars to Washington in different forms of federal taxation? Did you know that Texas only recieved back less than 75 cents on the dollar that they did send? That doesn't look like Texas is taking from the federal government, and to boot, we have to bow down to the federal rule makers as to what we do with the money, that was ours to begin with, and that was taken from the pockets of Texas workers.
Darrel
Added: August 28, 2009. 03:36 PM CST
Are people really this stupid?
Mommom - So blacks and women can't vote? Are you really that stupid or do you get paid to portray a moron? Of course Texas receives a huge portion of federal aid, we're the second most populous state in America. But by all means throw up road blocks, predict the worse. Nay sayer's are always happy because they can claim they were right when everything turns to crap. Drop the bon-bon and go do something! Bravo you're one of the 299,999,900 people in the U.S. who don't believe in anything that requires exertion or dedication or thought. Proud?
Bill Jacoby
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